The “thorn in the flesh” is directly related to Paul’s “great revelations.” This is not something Christians need to fear, Paul is unique in salvation history as the apostle to the Gentiles, and his visionary experience is unique as well. The “thorn” is a metaphor emphasizing the ongoing, painful nature of the oppression.
The noun Paul uses (σκόλοψ) refers to any kind of splinter or thorn that works its way into the body, but the thorn is also called a “messenger of Satan” of “angel of Satan.” By describing the thorn this way, Paul may be referring to a person who was harassing him, continually causing him to suffer.
This messenger “harasses” Paul. This verb (κολαφίζω) is a violent physical beating, the same word is used for Jesus’ beatings in Matt 26:67 and Mark 14:65. Since it is not clear what Paul means by this thorn, Christians have suggested the beatings are not physical. Suggestions include: hysteria, depression, headaches, severe eye trouble, malaria, leprosy, and even a speech impediment (See BDAG for scholars associated with each suggestion). If this is a physical illness, it could be a sign of God’s judgment; the opponent could use something like this to call into question everything Paul teaches!
God allowed Paul to endure this suffering in order to keep him humble. This is an ongoing torment of some kind, since Paul prayed three times to have the thorn taken from him. The purpose of the thorn is to keep Paul from being exalted because of his visionary experience. The verb (ὑπεραίρω) refers to developing an “an undue sense of one’s self-importance” (BDAG). The thorn therefore was given to keep Paul from getting a big head about how important he is!
The only response to this prayer given by the Lord is “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” This is one of the most memorable verses in the New Testament and has helped many people through extremely difficult times. Like Paul, people who suffer physical or emotional torment consider this verse a great comfort since God’s grace is all they need. But notice it God’s grace does not guarantee Paul will be rescued from his thorn in the flesh! In fact, the comfort of this verse is that despite intense suffering, God’s grace is all Paul wants or needs!
It is when Paul is weak the power of God is most clearly seen. If Paul were an elite orator or a well-trained sophist, or a prophet who has the most glorious of visions, then the success he had in Corinth would be all his; he would easily slip into the error the opponents are making and glorify himself.
It is not that we ought to forego any preparation for ministry and only appoint the most unprepared people to serve; but when that preparation becomes a platform for boasting then the Lord is no longer glorified. Paul therefore concludes this chapter the same way he started in 2 Cor 13, boasting in his suffering all the more!
What is Paul’s point by boasting in his suffering in 12:10? As he concluded after his catalog of suffering in chapter 11, Paul claims his suffering proves he is a true apostle (and the “super apostles are not). As Barrett concludes, “The real point is that the requirement of self-sacrifice … marks out the true apostle from the false” (284-5). The pastor who works two jobs to serve a small country church is nearer to Paul’s model, his imitation of Christ, than a pastor who asks for 65 million for a private jet.
Would a Mega-Church pastor give up his wealth to care for a small inner city congregations for little or no money at all? Jesus gave up everything, as did Paul; but Paul’s opponents would not. What makes them spiritual leaders is their wealth and prestige, the exact opposite of Paul’s point here in 2 Corinithians.
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I don’t recall if we’ve “gone around” about this on your blog or not, Phillip. But I sure can’t see any way around the fact that the “super apostles” and/or the “supposed pillars” are either James, probably Peter (unless he’d left for Antioch or elsewhere perhaps) and other Jerusalem leaders… or at the least, designated representatives from the Jerusalem group. I won’t try to give the evidence here and it’s mostly an aside but something you raise in the article, and overall it IS an important point, as related to other matters.
I have never spent much blog-time (if that is a thing) on 2 Corinthians. The ID of the super apostles is difficult since all we know about them is from Paul’s polemic against them. I *assume* they had visions, based on Paul’s comments here in chapter 12, but I really do not know anything about the opponent’s boasting in Corinth about such visions. All this mirror-reading is tentative, even if it is necessary.
Probably I would use Pillars for the situation in Galatia and Super-Apostles for the situation in Corinth, keeping the two groups at least formally separate. I doubt the “super apostles” were James and Peter although that is possible. I agree with you they seem to be associated with the Pillars, whether officially or not. In the early church there seems to be trouble with people turning up in churches and claiming to have some authority, (for example, 2 Thess or the instructions in Didache about traveling teachers).
Nice to see you comment again, by the way. It seems like a long time since you have contributed to the conversation!
Thanks, Phillip. As to my “absence”, it’s a number of factors, largely about time available. But I hadn’t seen many email notices for new posts for quite a while. Not sure if they were accidentally off, I was just overlooking or what. Also I’ve put time/attention toward the “Seizing an Alternative: Toward an Ecological Civilization” conf. early June in Pomona. Was fantastic (tho disturbing on the environmental problems side… no environmentalist “wackos” but some of the most studied, careful and committed scientists, thinkers and activists. The “head, heart and hands” combo was strong and an encouragement that we MAY yet have enough time to avert massive problems. Some of the presentations and ongoing discussions are getting posted on http://www.PandoPopulus.com.
Also NPR recorded an incredible interview of their sharp Warren Olney with both Herman Daly and John Cobb on needed changes in national and global economy/growth attitudes and practices relative to the ecological and other earth crises. All “biblical” issues in profound ways most Christians either never think about or are seriously misguided on. (The conf. itself had theological tracks, such as the Process theology I did, but was largely “secular”.)
Very nice post. Thank you Mr Phillip.
Thanks, Mr. Castellio!
Great article brother!!!! I’m wrting from Argentina, being one of your followers. Great truth!! i’m working in a bank, (in a social department, distributing social cards for poor people) Today, an old women came here seeking her card. She is 74 years old. She was a baptist missionary; now she is living from her limited retirement. In South American churches we see the american missionaries living in another level. They look like managers, not servants.
Jose,
Historically speaking, I believe your point about “american missionaries living in another level” has tended to be true. While I don’t know much about South American churches, I have heard about this, and seen evidence of this in other parts of the world.
I believe the primary root cause is that Evangelical American Missionaries are trained to “be like Paul” rather than being more like Jesus was. They carefully study the life of Paul, and use Paul’s ministry as their model for how to be a missionary.
For example, Paul was primarily responsible for starting the church in Corinth. But, Paul abandoned the church after a year and a half, for no obvious reason, and went off doing his own thing, accountable to no one. Paul never appointed anyone locally to lead the church in Corinth, as far as we can see. Instead, Paul travelled around, then set up his own school in Ephesus.
Then 2 or 3 years later, Paul is writing to the Church in Corinth, controlling all aspects of the church from a distance as an abusive absentee leader, and exploiting them for money, so he can travel around doing whatever he wants, whenever he wants. Paul wants all the credit, power, financial benefits, and rights of being “the leader” of the church in Corinth, but none of the responsibilities.
In other words, Paul was acting as “manager” of the church in Corinth, but not “servant”, as you put it.
Great point. Roland Allen said something like this. Missionaries don´t trust in the Holy Spirit to lead the church. What you say about Paul and his leadership, someone will burn your house with your family inside. Did you write and article about it?? I’d like to read it…jajaj!!! I’ll read more your articles. Thank you…I will chew your thoughts…
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Absolutely, feel free to translate it. Send me a link when it is posted.
thank you brother!!!!
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Great brother!!!!
Phillip,
You wrote:
“Paul is unique in salvation history as the apostle to the Gentiles, and his visionary experience is unique as well.”
This is the recipe for a new false religion, based on one “unique” man’s feelings and experience – just replace “Paul” with “Muhammad”, “Joseph Smith” (LDS Mormons) Sun Myung Moon (Unification Church / Moonies) etc. etc. One special unique man comes along after Jesus with no other witnesses to back him up, reinterprets Jesus and the teachings of Jesus, and says follow me, listen to me, do as I say. my words are the words of God, and I don’t need another witness.
Besides Pau’s testimony about himself,
Who said Paul as appointed an apostle?
Who said the Paul was “the apostle to the Gentiles?”
The problem is you and I do agree on an authoritative canon. You reject the Pauline books as canon, therefore Paul’s witness is invalid. You also reject Acts as valid for discussions on Paul, so there is no appealing to the three Damascus Road reports there, nor Paul’s claim in Acts to have seen a vision in the temple (Acts 22:17). If I recall correctly, you dismiss 2 Peter as a testimony concerning Paul, so I am really not sure why you want to argue about all this still. You have eviscerated the canon to the point Paul is a non-factor.
Do you visit Mormon websites and argue with them about Joseph Smith’s claim for authority?
The word “canon” does not appear in the pages of “the Bible.”
Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets frequently – meaning the first 2 of the 3 parts of the Hebrew Scriptures. He also referred to the Psalms and other Writings sometimes. Jesus never said or implied that it was all “one book” or all “equal” or all “the word of God” – and anyway, He was only referring to what we call the Old Testament.
Do you have a “Biblical” basis for believing that Paul’s letters, and everything in “the canon” is “equal”?
I am saying Paul’s witness ALONE is invalid when it contradicts Jesus and everyone else.
Jesus reminded us from the Torah that “every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.” Jesus didn’t make any exceptions, not even for himself. But you say Paul is the unique exception, above everyone else, the rule applies to everyone in history except Paul.
Jesus didn’t write any books or letters – he had 4 witnesses write about Him.
Paul’s letters contain big sections of his autobiography, his testimony about himself, his feelings, experience, intentions, plans, opinions, ministry, etc. Paul wasn’t objective about his own ministry, so if Paul claims something and there is no backup, we should not take it too seriously.
I do not
“reject Acts as valid for discussions on Paul”
Acts 9 is what happened. Acts 22 is Luke recording Paul’s boastful false exaggerated account of what happened in Acts 9.
I do not
“dismiss 2 Peter as a testimony concerning Paul”
The Apostle Peter never recognized Paul as an apostle in any way, never said that “all Scripture” is equal or inspired by God or “God breathed”, and never said that his own words, or the words of Paul, were “the word of God” equal to the words of Jesus.
“so if Paul claims something and there is no backup, we should not take it too seriously.” It is this sort of agnosticism that makes it impossible to have a conversation. You are employing a kind of Jesus Seminar-style criteria of authenticity to Paul’s which results in nearly zero authentic sayings. I like it better when you just admit you hate Paul and dismiss him entirely.
You are also missing the point about Canon (which does appear in the NT, but that is not really important for this discussion). Like most useful theological words, the idea is present (from the verses you cite) even if the English word does not appear. If you do not have a theology of Canon, you cannot really do any real theology, can you? If you privilege Jesus over Paul, that is fine but it is still a “canon of authoritative sayings.” There has to be a “center of gravity” for doing biblical theology. The theology will look different if you make Leviticus the center as opposed to the Sermon on the Mount, or Romans, or Revelation.
…everything in “the canon” is “equal”? No! I privilege the New Testament, and the Pauline letters for understanding Christian theology. I thought you knew that by now.
So we agree on “the canon” and we also agree it isn’t all “equal”, that there must be a “canon with in the canon” that has higher authority.
Yes, I “privilege Jesus over Paul” and over everyone else. So I share the (Eastern) Orthodox position on the New Testament (for almost 2000 years) that the 4 Gospels are above everything else.
Do you believe that Paul “couldn’t be wrong” in anything he said or did, recorded in his biography by Luke in Acts?
Do you believe that everything Paul claimed about himself in his letters is a “trump card” that overrides everyone else, including Jesus, and Paul is unique in history as the only may whose testimony about himself is valid with no other witnesses?
Even though we “agree” the 66 Books of the Bible are “the canon”, we appear to differ on what exactly “canon” means. The “traditional Evangelical” view is that it’s all “The Word of God”, without error – so if you believe that too, then Paul can never be questioned.
You wrote:
“I privilege the New Testament, and the Pauline letters for understanding Christian theology.”
With that view, you would be a good candidate for Marcion’s churches in the Second century. He coined the term “New Testament” and created his own new book containing nothing but 10 of Paul’s letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. You don’t mention Jesus or the Gospels specifically, but rather “the Pauline letters.” So really, the voice of Paul is first for you, not the voice of Jesus.
On a number of points Jesus taught one thing, and Paul taught something else. And right down the line, we have been trained as Evangelicals to ignore the voice of Jesus and listen to Paul instead.
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I believe Paul boasts in his suffering because he is trying to bring glory to God. You see God use people that nobody would ever guess for his work such as Moses or Joseph. Those were both people who were in no position to do what they did, but God used them for His work. Paul’s point that he is a true apostle is a very good one because these super apostles were just doing what was good for them. I have no connection to a mega church or no one that goes to a mega church, but I believe that if there was a millionaire pastor who truly followed Jesus they would donate to help support small churches. It is not my place to say how much money they need to give up, but I believe that as brothers and sisters in Christ we need to support each other and each of our missions.
It is quite admirable that Paul became humble through the thorn, even though I am curious as to what that the thorn may be? Usually when one gets hurt they either wallow in misery or grin and bear it. In this case, it can definitely teach one to be humble, especially with the importance of continuing teaching to other churches so that one does not risk boasting their efforts and end up glorifying themselves. It is the weakness that exhibits God’s strength and power, since God uses weakness to achieve his purpose (Longenecker and Still, 154). I do agree that the “My grace is sufficient for you” is quite an inspiring verse as it did help many in troubles (2 Cor. 12:9). It goes well with prayer even in the midst of a storm, or even being full of joy on a sunny day. Personally I do not think I have experienced those specific words but have experienced a similar comfort when I feel depressed or anxious. I also remember living with a thorn, that is an injury in my hand, in me when I try to work in the kitchen with hot and heavy stuff.
I wonder with the timing of the thorn would be from Paul’s boasting about his sufferings in the past chapter even though he did call himself a fool?
This should be one of the examples in which modern church pastors should follow. Oftentimes, so many of these pastors are caught up in themselves and their works that they instantaneously forget that God is the one who provided the work for their hands and position of influence among others. At the same time, during these times of work and influence, God has also allowed for moments of suffering, pain, loss, and hopelessness in order to humble many of these pastors when they have become confident in themselves or comfortable in the positions in which they are serving. Yet, just because the moments of suffering, pain, loss or hopeless occur does not necessarily mean that those events are to be viewed as negative. For if any believer truly trusts and commits all that they do for the Lord, then that believer will develop more of an appreciation for those moments of suffering, pain, loss , or hopelessness knowing that by the Lord’s sovereignty the Lord has allowed those moments to happen and has a purpose for each one that occurs.
If the thorn in the flesh Paul describes is an actual person, it sounds to me like it could have been one of the super-apostles he referenced before. Perhaps the ring leader? This would make sense in the context of the letter. If those bringing Paul’s credibility into question causes him pain—possibly even contributing to his anguish of Paul over possibly losing his relationship with the church in Corinth—then describing them as a thorn from Satan makes sense. If they caused him to suffer, then they (ironically, considering what they were trying to do) exist as evidence of Paul’s credibility. It is in the weakness of Paul they reveal that Paul becomes more effective at showing God in his life.
I have always been taught that the thorn in Paul’s flesh was something that was more physical than mental which resulted in his suffering. I was taught that it was something like his eyesight being very poor, or that it was some sort of injury to his legs that made it harder for him to move. I honestly do not know what scriptural evidence there is to back up these things, but if it was a physical ailment, eyesight and leg problems would make sense to me. I also think that it is perfectly reasonable to say that his ailment was something much more mental than physical. Depression and anxiety really feel like an actual thorn that you have to live with, so that also makes a lot of sense to me. I do not think that there are many pastors that are very well known that have the same mindset and heart for Jesus that Paul has. If you asked someone like Joel Osteen if he would step down to help those that are actually in need but would have to give up his wealth and his reputation, I do not think that he would. Many pastors in America are spiritual leaders because of all of the wealth and power that they hold instead of their actual spiritual influence that they have on their congregation. We in America are far more like the Corinthian church than we would like to admit.
Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 is enduring suffering for a purpose. As I read about the suffering of Paul, I see him talk about the rejoicing he takes in his suffering. This concept is very foreign to our understanding. We think that the blessing would be the removal of suffering. We see no promise of the removal of the thorn from Paul, as discussed in this blog. We do see a promise of God’s grace during his suffering. Paul is clearly in pain but boasts about his suffering because this is evidence that Paul is doing the work of the Lord. Paul truly seeks for the Lord to use him, by Paul receiving suffering from the Lord he is assured that he is doing the proper work of the Lord. We see that it is in the weakness of Paul that God is mostly seen. The reality that we are not here for our glory, but we are here for the glory of God is given to us throughout 2 Corinthians. “By contrast, the gospel that Paul preaches, even in its lack of “worldly” credentials, is the vehicle through which the power of the creator God (the very one who said, “Let light shine out of the darkness”) is made accessible” (Longnecker, Pg.152). Paul lets us know that he is weak. We are told that there is no power within oneself, there is only power in Jesus. This is true in all circumstances, but Paul speaks directly of weakness. Paul boasts about his hardships and weaknesses because he knows that his strength is counted as nothing. During all things we are encouraged to rely on the Lord and give Him all the glory in all things.
The fact that Paul was able to find strength when he was weakened and struggling is inspiring. Oftentimes when we are weak or feeling mentally drained, that’s often when we feel far from God, but God’s grace is always there. Verse 9 talks about how God’s grace is made significant and that his power is perfect when in weakness. When thinking about the pastors of the Mega-Churches it is interesting to think if they would give up the fame and money to go to a small church to serve the Lord. Because isn’t that what they are supposed to be doing? Serving the Lord no matter where and what it might cost? Paul knew this, he knew that there would be challenges and moments of weakness but the Lord showed Him that in that weakness you are made strong (verse 10). Paul was able to see the power of God when he was down and God did this to also not allow Paul to step into the mindset that he is better than God. Paul shows us that in our weakness God is there to strengthen us, and we can see just how powerful God is. When we can see how God can work through us in those moments of suffering I think we will be able to better see the glory of God.
I totally understand that the culture works differently here in America and other countries. Most Americans, ministers and staff and workers, such as leaders and pastors, somehow have limitations of serving for God in my experience. No many of them do not want to serve if the church pays less or if it is a small church. They love God but they care about money and survival. And forget what God will take for their lives and family. And I do totally understand that nothing is free in America.
In the other countries, most ministers do ministry of God with Faith. They left home and family (wife and children) behind and with one bag and one clothes. They don’t really care about the money but to make the kingdom grow.
In Colossians 3:2 Paul said, ‘’set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. ‘’Set’’ basically means, ongoing decision. Making a decision is really important, are we focused on Christ or for our own life in ministry? Paul’s boasting is not based on the world’s wealth but suffering. Because Paul understands that weakness is strong in the eyes of God. because His power is made perfect in our weakness. His power and strength make us overcome the suffering. Those who have this experience see more of God’s goodness and grace and that makes their faith grow in faith. As a christian, in ministry, it is ok to be scared and care about life but not to be afraid of what is to come. He will take care of the rest as He promises in ‘’Matt 11:28’’.
The idea that suffering is good and is something to boast about was a concept that was mind blowing to the people of the time of Paul and is still a weird concept to the western world today based on the idea that most people will not stand up for Jesus just because we might be teased, canceled and or lose friends while in other cournties when standing up for Jesus could end with you losing your life or being shunned to the point that no one selling you things that you need to live. The story that comes to mind is when ISIS told a few Christian Men to deny Christ or have their heads cut off and the ISIS having the whole event televised to the world to see. I also think about how i was told about the events in Africa when people would force their way in to houses to kill as many family members if the father refused to deny Christ and sometimes the families don’t even have a chance to do that before the invaders start taking them out. One thing to remeber is that Paul isn’t telling us to not have stuff but is telling us to be willing to part with it if the time comes .
When I hear about Paul’s “thorn in the flesh”, I have always envisioned a thorn from a bush or a plant. Therefore, I thought it was very interesting how the thorn in 2 Corinthians is also said to represent an angel of Satan. Long mentions that this could be a person that Paul was dealing with, but what if it was a demon? I say this because angels in the Bible are used as God’s messengers (Matthew 28:2, Luke 1:26-38, Luke 2:8-12, Acts 7:35). Demons are also known for tormenting people, especially people who are actively following and listening to God. It makes sense that Paul says he was being harassed or felt like he was undergoing beatings. Long also mentions how these “beatings” weren’t physical but could have occurred by depression, leprosy, hysteria, or headaches, which are all issues that could occur by demon oppression. I also know that sometimes God allows His people to be tested by demonic forces, such as Job. Therefore, if God was trying to help Paul humble, having a tormentor could be a way to test Paul’s faith and endurance. However, although Satan might have wanted to weaken Paul’s effectiveness for the ministry, Paul was able to be stronger in the Lord’s power and give Him more glory because of it.
Paul makes a crucial point when he advises against being terrified of the thorn in the flesh, which is the fear that unbelievers will persecute you because you are standing up for Jesus Christ. Paul is referring to an inside anguish rather than a physical one. This thorn was given to Paul by God to prevent him from being arrogant and thinking he was better than everyone else. He must acknowledge that although he is weak, he is strong in Christ. Because Christ perfected Himself in our weakness, we Christians are strong in Him (Long, 2015). I go at the feet of the All-Powerful God when I feel like I can’t go on any longer in order to get back up and keep moving forward. I have occasionally turned away from Him and desired to live in the flesh, but God has restored my perceptions, and I once more begin to live in the spirit and become closer to Him. My life becomes light once more, and I become all that He has made me to be in order to honor and glorify His name. He informed us, and we now understand that we are powerless without Him. 2 Corinthians 12:9 says, “But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.” This passage demonstrates how God encourages Paul to continue spreading the gospel by persevering and overcoming adversity because of God’s goodness.
Scholars have asked, researched, and investigated however, there has been no definitive answer to what it is. Some have speculated it was suffering that is a part of the Christan life. Others have speculated it is similar to the story of Job. Even others have seen it has a spiritual attack. Even the historical context is not even known for sure. It clearly affected him and the way he was seen. Paul asked the Lord three times to take it away, and the Lord said, “my Grace is sufficient for you.” As Dr. Long writes in this blog, “This is one of the most memorable verses in the New Testament and has helped many people through extremely difficult times. Like Paul, people who suffer physical or emotional torment consider this verse a great comfort since God’s grace is all they need.” (Long, pp.5). As Paul was patient and persistent, we are to be patient and persistent. Paul is setting the example for us, lean on the Lord even in times of weakness and suffering. “But notice it God’s grace does not guarantee Paul will be rescued from his thorn in the flesh! In fact, the comfort of this verse is that despite intense suffering, God’s grace is all Paul wants or needs!” (Long, pp.5) Even though Paul is suffering and pleading out, it does not mean the Lord is going to take this away.
I think that this is something that is not as covered as it should be. It is interesting how Paul considers the suffering as a thorn and it seems very accurate. I will say that it is important to know that not every single kind of suffering is always from God and I think that that is something that some people fail to realize. We live in a fallen world where there is sin, death, evil spirits in the world that causes most of the suffering. Paul mentions how in moments of weakness we need to stand firm in God and allow him to give us that strength to overcome our personal “thorns”. It think it is important to know that God’s grace is always there when we need it the most but it is also a key thing to be self aware of what in our lives are we letting consume us. The way we approach these sufferings is a factor on what the outcome is.
Paul prayed three times for God to this one thing for him. Paul had seen God move in so many ways, Paul knew that this “thorn in the flesh” was nothing to God. After praying and waiting on God to speak, He finally does and instead of saying “Okay Paul, it is removed, because of your faith”, the Lord simply says, “My grace is sufficient”.
This is so important to really dive deep and look at as believers. While I truly believe that we are to come to God boldly (Hebrews 4:17) with unwavering faith, we must come with a trust that He is already enough. There is an old saying in the black church that “If God doesn’t do another thing for me, He’s already done enough.” Knowing the Lord is enough, walking with Him is enough, and salvation is enough. I am reminded in Psalm 13, David is pleading with God to help him and deliver him, then he says “But I trust your steadfast love…rejoice in your salvation.(v. 5). Yes, we should go to the Lord about everything in prayer (Philippians 4:6-7) with great faith, but also trusting that He is in control and that He is enough and has done enough. He is enough to get us through whatever challenges and difficulties we may face.
What stood out to me in this post was that Paul doesn’t describe the thorn as a weakness but rather something God uses to display His power. The “thorn in our flesh” reminds us that sometimes God allows suffering not as a punishment but as a way to shape us and keep us dependent on Him. For Paul instead of letting the thorn disqualify him, he interprets this as God showing true power through weakness. Paul prayed three times to God for the thorn to be removed but God said no, this is interesting because God’s love and presence doesn’t always mean immediate healing. The real comfort doesn’t come from removing the thorn but from the promise of everlasting grace, it allows us to fully surrender to Christ. This prayer is still relevant today. Many times I pray consistently to God asking to take away pain but I forget that the pain allows me to surrender and fully rely on God trusting in His love, peace and grace. See God might not create evil but He allows it so that we can call on Him for all things. Paul doesn’t deny the pain he boasts in it because it points it away from himself and towards the sufficiency of Christ.
2 Corinthians 12:7 states the phrase, “thorn in the flesh” (pg. 2238), referring to a messenger of Satan. This messenger or thorn could be Paul’s inner struggles, Paul’s opponents who continue to prosecute him, some physical affliction, or a kind of demonic harassment. These struggles Paul and everyone else have struggled with, does Satan send thorns? He is testing us to see how we react in the midst of struggle. Paul prays three times, telling God to remove the thorns in his life. God doesn’t take to hardships and struggles out of his life, but reassures Paul by saying in verse 9, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore, I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me” (pg 2239). Verse 9 is known to be a source of comfort for people who go through hardships like Paul. Being able to hear this allows a sense of calmness and reassurance that everything will be alright and God’s grace will come through. Noticing how Paul and Jesus gave up everything makes people think about what would happen if they gave up everything. If I were to give up everything, where would I go from there? Wealthy people or pastors of mega churches feel like they have a lot of power over those who don’t have as much. No matter how much someone has or doesn’t have, God’s grace will preserve us as we give up our belongings to follow God’s commands.
Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” is a demonstration of God’s amazing power and how He uses broken people for His glorious purpose. God makes it evident throughout the Bible and even today that, regardless of your physical or mental condition, He can use you to expand His kingdom. Another interesting reason for Paul’s condition that you point out is: “God allowed Paul to endure this suffering to keep him humble”(Phillip Long). This is a great perspective, and it’s interesting to think about how God is really sparing Paul in the long term here. Keeping Paul far from pride is a blessing in disguise due to pride’s destructive power. This shows that even when we can’t see it, God is working. Even though Paul might have been fairly gross and had little to no ability to properly articulate, God used him to save countless. That’s because Paul never did the saving; God did.
There are other points in the Bible where God shows His limitless potential and uses the outcasts and the “incompetent” to provide His message. It happens here, “When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus”(Acts 4:13). God shows here that we are merely vessels and He is the one who gives us the knowledge and ability to speak. He did the same thing with Paul by giving him his thorn in the flesh.
We in the modern Church must understand that God still has that power today. We as Christians don’t have the faith to trust God. We think that He has no power and the Holy Spirit doesn’t move like it used to. So to make up for our lack of faith, we try our hardest to trust in our flesh. You state, “It is not that we ought to forego any preparation for ministry and only appoint the most unprepared people to serve; but when that preparation becomes a platform for boasting then the Lord is no longer glorified”(Phillip Long). Sure, we must prepare, and the Holy Spirit guides us in that, but if we have no faith, then we limit what God can do through us. God used Paul and many others who would be incompetent to be some of the greatest missionaries ever. This isn’t because they were great, but because He is. Paul’s thorn in the flesh was a God-driven gift in disguise for him and many others today. We can know that no matter what we bring to the table, He can use us for His purpose.
It’s interesting to me that God would give Paul a “thorn in the flesh” to keep him humble. I think it speaks to the human nature of Paul. It seems that by implying God uses the “thorn” to humble Paul that might be Paul was someone who was easily made arrogant. This would make sense, Paul says in one of his letters that he has reason to boast, and be arrogant. On all accounts, Paul was an upstanding Jew. My view on the “thorn in the flesh” is that it is an impairment of the eyes. This is probably due to the fact that this is what I was always taught, but it also makes the most sense to me. When Jesus appeared to Paul he was blinded. To me it makes sense that he would still have some symptoms of his blinding even after his healing. I know that when God healed me of some health issues, I still experienced some symptoms associated with it, so why couldn’t it be the same for Paul. For example, I used to have pretty bad social anxiety, this is something that God has since relieved me from, but I still experience fear sometimes when it comes to public speaking. It would also make sense to me that Paul was dealing with hysteria. Paul spent a lot of time in jail, and I think that’s definitely enough to make a person go crazy. At the end of the day it probably doesn’t really matter what exactly his “thorn” was. I think it just speaks to how God uses suffering to one humble us, and two strengthen us.
Paul’s story about the “thorn in the flesh” shows how God can use weakness and pain to keep us grounded. We don’t know exactly what Paul’s thorn was, whether it was a physical illness, a person, or something emotional, but we know it caused him real suffering. Everyone has their own “thorn,” something they’ve prayed for God to take away, but He doesn’t. It can be frustrating and even discouraging at times, but just like Paul, we can learn that God’s grace is enough, even when our situation doesn’t change. What stands out to me most is that God didn’t remove Paul’s problem; instead, He reminded Paul that His strength shows up best in weakness. In a world that constantly pushes success, confidence, and self-promotion, and getting rid of our struggles, God works the opposite way He shows His power through humble, dependent people. Paul could have easily been prideful after all the visions and revelations he received, but God used the thorn to remind him that his strength came from the Lord, not from himself. I think this also challenges how we view success in ministry or life in general. We tend to look up to those who have fame, money, or big followings, but Paul reminds us that true ministry often looks like sacrifice and humility. The pastor who faithfully serves a small church with little recognition is often closer to Paul’s heart than those chasing status and wealth. God doesn’t need our perfection; he wants our dependence. Weakness isn’t failure, it’s an opportunity for God to show up in ways we couldn’t on our own.
This post does a good job showing how the “thorn in the flesh” connects to Paul’s visions and his humility. God let Paul experience something painful to keep him from becoming proud after his powerful experiences. Since Paul never says what the thorn actually is, it can represent any kind of struggle that keeps a person humble and reminds them to depend on God. The line “My grace is sufficient for you” is the main message of the passage. God does not always take away pain or challenges, but gives the strength to handle them. It changes how people think about strength, showing that real power comes through weakness and trust in God, not through success or comfort. The difference between Paul and the “super apostles” is also really clear. They cared about status and reputation, while Paul saw weakness and suffering as proof that he truly followed Christ. By boasting in his suffering, Paul made it clear that the focus should be on God’s power, not his own. This whole passage helps show what real leadership and faith look like and thats putting God first and staying humble no matter the situation.
There is a reoccurring phenomenon where a rule is posted stating the obvious, because even though the problem is obvious, people will still miss it. I think it was important that you clarified the context of the verse “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness” 2 Corinthians 12:9. We as a species are too prone to taking sayings out of context and misapplying them, such as the example you made with an impromptu ministry preparation. In all fairness, this verse is quite applicable to many situations. It is God telling us that He is glorified when we do His well despite our failings. You even made a point to share how much of a comfort this verse has been to people during trials and trying times. Yet we should never pursue God without wisdom. Indeed “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding” Psalm 111:10.
When reading this passage, we need to keep in mind that the main theme is humility. What Paul is trying to convey is that God continues to give us no reason to be proud of ourselves or believe that we have saved ourselves through our understanding, or that we should seek places and positions of glory. I think we forget the purpose of this passage and use the single verse as a crutch, a support for when times are bad.
Is this unfair? Absolutely not. God will be glorified through our weakness, and he will work through us no matter what the experience. This is just one example of how God has kept Paul from boasting. And he boasts proudly about it.
Reading about Paul’s “thorn in the flesh” really hit home for me because I’ve had my own seasons where I felt like I was wrestling with something I couldn’t break free. I respect how Paul didn’t hide his struggle or pretend he had it all together. But he let his weakness become a way to show God’s strength. When Jesus told him, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9), that verse reminded me that sometimes the things I wish God would take away are actually the things that keep me grounded in Him. I’ve had moments where I prayed for relief or breakthrough to where I almost lost my faith, but I could still feel God giving me the strength to keep pushing. That’s grace in real life.
As someone juggling school, work, and now my marriage, I really understand what it feels like to be weak but still find courage to power through. Paul’s words reminded me that God doesn’t measure success the same way we do. It’s about learning to depend fully on Him. In today’s world, even in the church, we often see people chasing influence and recognition, but Paul challenges that mindset. True strength isn’t about looking perfect but it’s about being true to not only yourself but to let God’s power show through our struggles. I’m still developing to live that way, to stop hiding my weaknesses and instead see them as evidence that His grace is what keeps me standing.